Apart from the 62% rate increase, one of the biggest things I got involved with was the planning application for a mosque in Leyton High Road, on Johnny Walsh's patch (he lived at 22 Downsell Road). A public meeting was held on October 17, 1988, at Leyton Town Hall. It was probably the scariest meeting I have ever been to, and I once reported on a National Front meeting addressed by Martin Webster. The room (which was very large) was completely filled with people (perhaps 200 or 300). They were in two camps and both sides were determined to get their way if they could. I chaired the meeting. Eventually the planning committee gave permission to the mosque with a lot of conditions. A few months after the mosque started operation, Johnny Walsh came up to me and said: "you were right about the mosque." Thank goodness.
One of the protest leaders was Laurie Wortley, a genial leprauchaun of a man, I subsequently got to know quite well through Katy.
Letter from Madrasah al-Tawhid August 27, 1988.
Mosque plan Waltham Forest Guardian October 7, 1988
Residents in uproar over mosque plans Waltham Forest Guardian October 14, 1988
Heated war of words over mosque plans Waltham Forest Guardian October 21, 1988
Westdown Residents Association letter October 28, 1988.
Furious tenants say no to a mosque Waltham Forest Express October 29, 1988.
MEETING WITH LEADERS OF THE MOSQUE November 15, 1988
Objection letter from J M Marcelle February 24, 1989.
PLANNING IMPLEMENTATION report WEDNESDAY MARCH 1, 1989
Resident fight to s1987 mosque plan Waltham Forest Guardian March 3, 1989
'Green light' for mosque scheme Waltham Forest Guardian March 10, 1989
Mosque should not be on ratepayers Waltham Forest Guardian March 17, 1989
Cinema to become mosque Waltham Forest Guardian March 31, 1989
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Mosque plan

A FORMER cinema in Leyton High Road may become a mosque if Waltham Forest Council gives the green light

But before the planning committee even starts discussions, people living nearby will be given the details and asked for opinions.

Letters are going out inviting residents to a meeting organised by the council at Leyton Town Hall on Monday, October 17, at 7.30pm.

They will be shown the plans-not yet formally submitted-and have an opportunity to hear about traffic implications and other possible changes to the neighbourhood.

The 500-seater picture house at 80 High Road opened in 1910 with the simple name The Cinema. It was later called The Astoria and The Regal before closing down in 1955. It has been used as a warehouse since then.

Waltham Forest Guardian October 7, 1988


Furious tenants say no to a mosque

ANGRY residents are fighting to block plans for a ninth mosque being built in the borough.

Waltham Forest Council has been asked to approve plans for the mosque, which is backed by wealthy Middle East connections, in Leyton High Road.

But members of Leyton's Downsell Road action group have told councillors: "We don't want another mosque because there are already enough in the borough."

Two thousand residents have signed a petition opposing the scheme which involves refurbishing an old cinema. Chris Stacey, the Action Group spokesman, said: "There are already eight mosques and only two Catholic churches in the borough and we don't think there is a need for a new one.

"The real issue though is the havoc it will cause. It will block already bad access through our road and we are concerned that children will not be able to cross the road safely, back gardens will become an attraction for burglars and house prices here will drop."

A council spokesman said that the current premises used by the Muslim sect in Francis Road, Leyton, was no longer big enough for them.

"Our policy is to give a fair hearing to plans from each section of the community before we make a decision.

"Residents were not told of the plans until recently because that's when the plans were finalised and we prefer to discuss schemes that are on paper rather than informal ideas.

"We understand residents' fears about poor access to the site and we share their concern and we will look at that very carefully before plans are approved.

"Although we understand the plans are being given backing from wealthy parties in the Middle East, we will not allow them to be pushed through without a fair hearing."

Waltham Forest Express October 29, 1988.
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Residents and Moslems in angry exchanges
Heated war of words over mosque plans

BUILDING a mosque in Leyton High Road is like throwing "a red rag to a bull," say residents.

A war of words has broken out between residents of the Downsell Road area and members of Moslem sect Jamiat-Ehl-Hadees who propose building the Mosque at 80 Leyton High Road, writes Pat Stannard.

Waltham Forest Council has just received the planning application for the Mosque, but first attempts to gauge public opinion ended in angry exchanges between a 300-strong crowd.

And the public meeting at Leyton Municipal Offices on Monday saw the first shots fired in what promises to be a long and bitter battle.

Speeches provoked heated reactions and chairman Councillor Jo Brind, of the Planning Implementation Committee, pleaded for calm when the situation reached boiling point.

Emir of the sect, Sahab Hassan, first victim of the hecklers, received a hostile reception when giving his sect's reasons for the proposed move to Leyton High Road.

Mr Hassan said the sect's present meeting place at 34 Francis Road is now too cramped for the congregation.

And, in an attempt to allay fears about noise caused by possible 50-strong gatherings at prayer, he said: "Our prayers are very tranquil and we do not hold processions."

The Emir also explained the need for a small school, planned for the Mosque's ground floor. "We want to teach our children good behaviour, respect and how to be healthy citizens. They do not receive the teachings of their religion at school," he said.

Chief planning officer Bob Bennett said two main issues were the effects of the building on the surroundings, and provision of car parking facilities.

But when residents were told the school entrance could be in Downsell Road, with the main entrance for prayer on the High Road, there was uproar.

A Stewart Road resident described the proposed Mosque as an "aberration," and said they feared the effect of large crowds coming to pray. "You are talking about 50 children, 200 adults, 10 cars and a 12-seater mini-bus coming and going from dawn to dusk."

And a Westdown Road Residents Association representative handed in a petition saying members were concerned at the possibility of "horrendous" traffic disruption on Francis Road.

He added: "It is unfair to use the site for a minority, when it could be used for a majority."

Other opinions ranged from fears over design proposals to use of a public address system, used by other sects calling people to prayer.

In reply, Mr Bennett said: "The building will look different to its surroundings, but then so do Church of England churches. As for a PA system, we would have to take into account all applications," he said.

And Roads and Traffic Manager Derek Greene said he would carry out parking surveys to assess effects of increased traffic on the area, before the December meeting of the planning committee.

Comments on the proposals should be sent to the Municipal Offices, The Ridgeway, Chingford, before the end of October.

Waltham Forest Guardian October 21, 1988


NOTES OF THE MEETING RE: 80 HIGH ROAD, E.15 WITH COUNCILLOR KHAN AND THE LEADERS OF THE MOSQUE: Held 15.11.88

1) Councillor Khan said he called the meeting to try and make some progress on the planning application for the use of 80 High Road, E15 for the Mosque. He took the view that if there was no chance on technical grounds of progressing the application, then it might be better to withdraw it. He therefore wanted C.P.'s views.
Note: CP = Chief Planner, Bob Bennett

The CP said that it would help him to understand the use for the Mosque if the difference between their sect and other Mosques were explained. The Chairman of the Mosque said that theirs was a much purer form of Islam, being based more on the Saudi Arabian model rather than on the Asian Sub-continent model. To be a member of it they had to be much stricter in their beliefs in particular they had to attend the Mosque more regularly and there were very little ceremonial activities. The comparison to a Christian religion would be to identify them as being Puritan.

By comparison the Lea Bridge Road Mosque practised a much more liberal form of Islam. Their 'Priest' had a more significant and symbolic role and there is much more ceremony involved in both normal prayers and religious festivals. For this reason the Lea Bridge Road Mosque is much more popular-- it is an easier form of religious belief in that regular attendance is not required and the Christian comparison to this would be Catholicism. The 'Priest' can absolve members from their sins. Also that Mosque attracts people from a wider area as a result of this liberalism which subsequently attracts a lot more car parking.

The Leytonstone Mosque is something in between the two i.e. something like Church of England.

2) CP said that on the basis of the consultations, 5 relevant issues have been raised:-

a) design of the building;
b) noise from the activities within the building;
c) noise/disturbance from people coming and going;
d) impact on traffic flows;
e) car parking.

CP went through each of these issues with those present to explain whether or not there are any problems and whether alternatives were possible;

a) Design CP accepted that if the building was to function as a Mosque then it was sensible that it should look like a Mosque. He personally did not object to the design and felt that in planning terms there are no serious objections to its appearance.

b) Noise associated with the use- the sect explained that the nature of their particular beliefs meant that they caused no noise during their period of prayer. There was no use of music or chanting and indeed the prayers were said silently. As regards the school uses, these would take place after normal school hours from 5pm to 7pm, and during the day time in school holidays. School children would not be there at weekends. Their tuition would be comparable to that of children who attended Sunday School in Christian churches. Nevertheless, the sect would accept the principle of a condition concerning noise insulation of the building and a condition stating that there should be no use of the minaret for any prayer calling etc.

6) General disturbance from people coming and going- CP pointed out that the position of the main entrance to the Mosque in Downsell Road was a source of objection from local residents. Not only would comings and goings be concentrated down that road which might be a problem in summer when sunrise and sunsets are earlier and later than normal, but what was more likely was that people would park in Downsell Road. He felt it would be preferable from an amenity point of view if the main entrance could be switched to the High Road frontage.

The sect point out that if it was to be switching to the High Rd. frontage there would need to be redesign of the shop front, since the main entrance would not indicate the type of use. CP felt that on balance that would be preferable than having the entrance in Downsell Road, especially bearing in mind that the existing building on the High Road frontage was not in keeping.

After some discussion the sect agreed to submit revised plans showing the entrance from the High Road with only emergency entrance from Downsell Road. The sect also agreed to reposition the minaret from the south west to the south east corner of the building.

d) Impact on traffic flows- this issue had been raised by various local residents who were concerned about existing through traffic in residential streets. The CP did not consider that the activities at the Mosque would seriously increase these problems, but nevertheless, had asked the Chief Engineer to carry out surveys in the streets to assess whether there was an existing problem and what effect the Mosque would have on those traffic flows.

e) Car Parking- the CP felt that this was going to be the key issue in respect of PIC's decision as to whether or not to grant permission. He had asked the Chief Engineer to carry out parking surveys at the times when the Mosque would be used, i.e. sunrise and sunset and Friday lunchtimes. He would also ask that surveys be carried out at weekends when residential car parking was at its highest.

In relation to traffic generation, the sect confirmed that the capacity of the building would be about 100 people for prayers, although clearly the building could accommodate other people at the same time. The CP said that in estimating the impact on car parking he would be taking into account the maximum capacity of the building. Discussion took place as to the most appropriate place to carry out a survey of traffic flows/ car parking at other mosques. After some discussion it was agreed that surveys should be carried out at Francis Road at sunset and sunrise and at Friday lunch times. Because of the need to avoid confusing parking associated with two other religious uses in the street it would be necessary to do the evening surveys on a Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. To obtain a comparison with another operating Mosque it was agreed to do the surveying at the Leytonstone Mosque. Again this would be sunset and sunrise and also at sunset and sunrise plus lunch time on Fridays.

The CP thanked the Mosque for offering to bring him into the faith and agreed that the planning application would most likely be considered at the January 18th PIC meeting. He would be in further contact with Councillor Khan if there were any further problems. In the meantime Mr. Samee would be preparing revised drawings showing the entrance repositioned on the Leyton High Road frontage
R.W. BENNETT
NOVEMBER '88

CP/DB



PLANNING IMPLEMENTATION WEDNESDAY 1 MARCH 1989 DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ITEM

Town and Country Planning General Development Order 1977 as amended

88/1259 APPLICANT: Jamiat Ehl-E-Hadees/Madrasa-Al-Tawhid
LOCATION: Ex Cinema 80 High Road E15

PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT: 1) Conversion of former cinema to a Mosque/Religious School involving alterations to all elevations and the erection of a minaret and dome (Use Class Dl(h)).

2) Erection of a three storey infill extension and entrance canopy to replace the cinema foyer fronting High Road.

Date Brought to Committee 1st March 1989

Reason Referred to Committee Public and Member interest in the proposals

Planning History The applicants who already operate in the borough, started a religious school on a temporary planning permission in a former corner shop at 34 Francis Road with the Imam living upstairs. It was then proposed to extend the shop with a two storey rear extension to give 100% site coverage to establish a Mosque as well as the school on both the ground and first floors. This was considered fundamentally unacceptable by your officers and following discussions was subsequently withdrawn, Ref. 87/403. At that time the applicants approached the Council for possible help, which coincided with the availability of the ex Cinema at 80 High Road. It was made clear that any planning application would be considered on its individual merits and that particular regard would be had to any car parking problems which might occur in residential side streets, and noise considerations.

Details of Proposals & Surroundings The site comprises a former cinema, with the pedestrian entrance on the east side of High Road opposite L.R.T's bus "pull-in". Its last use, and therefore its authorised use is that of a warehouse.

The building comprises a single storey narrow entrance foyer located between two terraces of shops in High Road, which leads to a substantial auditorium, with a floorspace of 336 sq. metres and a height of 13 metres, lying behind 72-78 High Road and also the rear of 2-8 Downsell Road. There is also a rear entrance and yard 8 metres wide, with access from Downsell Road, adjacent to 8 Downsell Road, and alongside a separate access to a lock up garage site to the rear of 16-32 Downsell Road. Downsell Road is a narrow residential street comprising small terraced houses. It is within the Downsell Road Housing Action Area and is closed off at its eastern end in the vicinity of Downsell Infants School.

The site itself is owned by the Council, a legacy from the days of the Downsell Road C.P.O. which was not confirmed by the Secretary of State.

The Applicants Proposals

It is proposed to rebuild the rear auditorium to provide classrooms, lecture hall, library and bookshop associated with a religious school at ground floor, and to provide two prayer halls on the first floor. The prayer hall used by men would have an estimated capacity of 70 people, and the separate womens prayer hall an estimated capacity of 30. Each prayer hall would have separate ablution areas and access arrangements.

The original proposal had the main entrance from Downsell Road with the secondary access to the auditorium, library etc from High Road. However following discussions with officers, the proposal has been amended to provide the main entrance to both Mosque and school from the High Road. The Imam's residence would be on the first floor and guest rooms on the second floor of the building fronting High Road. Comprehensive changes to the external appearance of this part of the building are intended to make clear the function of the building (see elevations). The main structure would comprise a traditional mosque with a dome above the prayer hall of equivalent height to the existing rear cinema auditorium. A minaret is also proposed in the south east corner of the site adjacent to the access to the lock-up garage site, having a height of 19 metres.

The use of the building is described by the applicants as follows:

Attendance Details

Religious School "Madrasah Al Tawhid"

"The school is for a back up Islamic education for Muslim children. The school does not offer any boarding or lodging facilities. The children attending the school live mainly in the E10 postal area. There are separate classes for girls and boys and held in the late afternoons every day. There are adult classes for "Quran Teachings" over the weekends. The maximum number of children expected to attend is 50 and adults about 20,

We intend to operate a 12 seater mini-bus to pick up children from the remote boundaries of E10 which will be parked in the forecourt of the proposed building. Around 20 children will walk from the neighbouring streets escorted by the adults and around 10 children may be dropped and picked up by the parents by cars. Weekend attendances involve maximum of ten cars, but an average is six cars. Our existing premises, a corner shop used as a religious school at 34 Francis Road, are in a worse situation but we had no complaints during the entire period of use.

Mosque

The place of worship is for the local Muslim Community. As previously explained there are five prayers during a day. The following is expected attendances at respective times:

Name and time of the PrayerExpected Attendance

FAJARPrayer at Dawn5 persons appr.
ZOHARPrayer at Lunchtime5 persons appr.
ASARPrayer late afternoon8 persons appr.
MAGHRIBPrayer at Sunset20 persons appr.
ISHAPrayer late Evening
(An hour later than Sunset)
20 persons appr.

Friday lunch time prayer will have a gathering of about 50 people. The expected number of cars involved will be around 10.

We have a holy month "RAMADAN" when we expect slightly higher attendance at Sunset and Late Evening Prayers involving a maximum of 30 people. The performance of prayer is not a noisy operation and does not involve any music. The Imam leads the prayer facing towards "Mecca", or South-East in U.K. and recites verses from Holy Book Quran in the Dawn Prayer, Sunset Prayer and late evening prayers, and orders the followers to change various positions by saying Allah-U-Akbar (God-is-the-Greatest). In lunch and afternoon prayers the Imam recites the Quran silently and orders the followers to change physical positions only by saying "ALLAH-U-AKBAR. Every prayer takes about 15 minutes. The Ramadan corresponds with April these days, but falls ten days earlier every year compared to Gregorian Calendar.

At the end of Ramadan we have a festival called "EID-UL-FITR". The festival is celebrated by delivering a short speech by Imam followed by a prayer lasting for about 30 minutes. We, Jamiat Ehl-Hadith believe that the Eid prayer should be offered away from the Mosque in some open park of playing field. Only in adverse weather conditions the prayer could be held in the multi-purpose hall.

There is another festival seventy days later than Eid-ul-Fitr called Eid-ul-Azha which is celebrated in the similar way.

The gathering at Eid prayer could be around 200 and normally takes place away from the Mosque and hence does not involve any problems of car parking in or around the Mosque. We do not propose any mortuary as this is normally performed at East London Mosque, Whitechapel".

Nature of the Religious Use The sect is understood to be a purer form of Islam based more on Saudi Arabian practise rather than the Asian Sub-continent. It is therefore 'strict' rather than 'populist' and in Christian terms could be described as Puritan. The Lea Bridge Road mosque, well known to your officers and the subject of various reports to Committee in recent years is not comparable being a much more 'liberal' form of Islam.

The Imam at the Lea Bridge Road mosque has a more Significant and symbolic role and there is much more ceremony involved in daily prayers and at festival times. It attracts a lot of people from a wide area as a result of this. The Dacre Road Mosque in Leytonstone is in the middle of the Muslim religious spectrum.

Waltham Forest District Plan Table 11.3 on p.107 states that proposals must not result in problems of congestion and safety from car parking and traffic generation and on site parking to Council standards is normally required. In addition proposals must not result in overlooking or loss of light or have an adverse visual impact on neighbouring property. Noise including the timing and duration of disturbance are also material considerations.

Ethnic minority groups have experienced particular problems in finding suitable sites/premises for religious and cultural development. This is often due to a combination of lack of adequate finance for purpose built developments, or adapting existing premises, lack of suitable locations close to the local community concerned, and problems in the supply of sites and buildings. As a result small shop premises or even dwellings have been initially used for this purpose. Some groups have managed to acquire redundant church buildings Dacre Road and Queens Road Mosques, the Hindu Temple in Whipps Cross Road, and the Sikh Temple in Francis Road and in such cases planning permission is not required.

However, there is a finite supply of ecclesiastical buildings and therefore attention has turned to other substantial buildings which have fallen out of use. The problem has been recognised by the Council and was the subject of a report to the then Committee of Environment on 24th January 1984 (Minute 73 refers). It was resolved that sympathetic consideration would be given to applications for changes of use provided this was not at the expense of residential accommodation or allocated for industrial land or ground floor premises in principal shopping centres. The problem and need for appropriate policies is being recognised in the District Plan Review.

Planning Standards The parking standard for places of worship is based on seating capacity which is inappropriate in the case of a Mosque. The parking standard for schools is based on staffing levels at a conventional educational establishment functioning throughout the day. The adequacy of parking for this proposal must therefore be based on an assessment of actual levels of usage. The yard area off Downsell Road can accommodate about 6 cars.

Consultations The original plans submitted in March 1988 showed a much larger building than is now proposed. Your officers suggested that this should be reduced to a height equivalent to the existing rear auditorium. After some considerable time revised plans were submitted which followed this advice, and also reduced the height of the minaret.

Consultation letters were then sent to the occupiers of 1-128 (consec) Downsell Road, 1-105 (consec) Leslie Road, 1-104 (consec) Stewart Road, 2-48, 1-53 Cranbourne Road 2-18, 1-23 Gordon Road, 42-116, 101-135 High Road as well as the Westdown Road Residents Association. The letters enclosed details of the use and a photocopy of the elevation to Downsell Road and invited residents to attend a public meeting at Leyton Town Hall to find out more about the proposals and express their views. The meeting was held on 17/10/88 and chaired by the Chair of Planning Implementation Committee over 200 people attended, roughly half of whom were local residents, the rest being members of the applicants' particular religious sect, and many apparently resident elsewhere.

Following this meeting substantial representations were received, including four petitions (1 supporting the proposals with 208 signatures and 3 against with 570 signatures from residents living primarily in the local area (Downsell, Stewart, Leslie, Crownfield, Cranbourne, Ellingham and High Road. One only of the petition against specified grounds of objection). In addition representations were received from the Westdown Road Residents Association and there were 58 individual letters of objection, as well as 12 letters of support. Copies of the petition with grounds of objection, and Westdown Road R.A.'s representations are attached as appendices 1 and 2. The grounds of objection, which will all be considered as main issues below are:-

1) The use is inappropriate at this particular site which should be used for an alternative community use or developed for housing.

2)The attendance figures are very low and the building is likely to be far more intensively used.

3) The use will result in noise and disturbance to residents both from within the building and as a result of cars arriving at or leaving the premises.

4) The building will be totally out of character with residential area and its design is not in keeping with the late Victorian streets in the area.

5) The minaret is particularly obtrusive because of its excessive height.

6) The use will result in severe parking problems particularly in Downsell Road which is heavily parked and already experiences a lot of through traffic.

As already stated, since the receipt of the original representations the plans have been altered so that both the Mosque and school will have their sole entrance from High Road with the Downsell Road entrance being used as a fire exit only and the High Road entrance modified accordingly. In addition the minaret has been moved from the south west to the south east corner of the site. A reconsultation exercise has been undertaken with letters and a copy of the revised High Road elevation sent to all the original consultees, who have been asked to comment specifically on the changes made. The details of further representations will be reported verbally at Committee.

Summary of Main Issues

1) An alternative community use should be found or the site should be redeveloped for housing.

The Cinema is a substantial building and would require major adaptation for any alternative use since it was last used as a warehouse. Use for such purposes as play groups, pensioners clubs, creches would therefore require heavy expenditure which these groups are unlikely to be able to meet but in any case the premises are not really suitable. Other community uses could include social clubs which rely on licensed bars to provide revenue and operate mainly in the evenings and at weekends. These uses often cause noise and disturbance, particularly at unsocial hours. In fact, the only other approach made to the Council for use of the Cinema came from such a club.

On the question of development potential, the site is generally in a backland location with restricted access and therefore does not readily lend itself to residential redevelopment.

However Members will be aware that what is under consideration is the present application not an alternative 'preferred' use. Members must therefore consider the Mosque use purely on its own merits and not in relation to alternative uses, which in any case may or may not be suitable or viable.

2) The building is likely to be more intensively used than stated by the applicants. The school at 34 Francis Road has been functioning for about five years without any complaints-about noise or traffic indicating that it is not intensively used. The applicants have stated that this aspect of the use would be simply transferred to the new premises. In addition the teaching aspect is to be developed by the inclusion of a lecture hall and community bookshop. The attendance figure put forward for the school use are similar to those supplied when planning permission was sought for 34 Francis Road.

In terms of religious use the actual prayer halls have a theoretical capacity of 100 (70 men, 30 women). This is far smaller than Lea Bridge Road Mosque and is probably equivalent to Dacre Road Mosque in Leytonstone.

As explained above, the sect is "puritan" not "populist" with less emphasis on the role of the Imam and generally lower key in terms of festivals which in any case the applicants state will be held in the open air away from the Mosque. It will thus not be visited by mainstream Muslims from the wider area, because its strictness is not attractive to them.

However what is more important is whether or not the proposed usage will cause disturbance to the residential environment, not the actual number of users.

3) There will be a noise nuisance from inside the building and outside as a result of traffic.

In terms of the school use the existing school at 34 Francis Road does not result in any noise problems and the use occurs mainly from 5 pm 7 pm (after school) on weekdays and during the day at weekends and therefore not at unsocial hours. It is reasonable to assume that in what is effectively a rebuilt building which does not directly adjoin residential accommodation (unlike the shop at 34 Francis Road), the potential for nuisance is limited

As far as the Mosque is concerned the prayers hall is entirely at first floor level and furthermore the Sect itself does not partake in music or chanting and prayers are said silently. However the building could be sound insulated or windows double glazed if necessary and the use of a public address system prevented by a suitable planning condition in the event of planning permission being granted. As far as the minaret is concerned this is purely symbolic and will not be used to summon people to prayer with an external public address system.

As regards traffic noise this really depends on a combination of the hours of use, intensity of use and location of available kerbside parking. The next section of this report on parking/traffic generation will deal with this aspect in detail. In terms of possible noise the Mosque will be used most on Fridays. Thus if nuisance from noise is to occur, it will tend to be in the evenings during summer months because of the later sunset.

It is anticipated that because Downsell Road is heavily parked with resident cars in the evenings, worshippers will tend to park in the High Road, where background noise levels are already high because of through traffic. The main entrance from the road is designed to draw casual parking to the High Road frontage which has no parking restrictions in the evenings.

4) The building and its design will be out of character with the area.

The design is an expression of the building's function and as such cannot be criticised in design terms. It would be a contradiction in terms to expect a mosque to be designed in the Victorian vernacular. Any ecclesiastical building has a distinct identity and your officers would not seek to impose a particular aesthetic solution on any religious organisation where the chosen design reflects the established traditions of that religion. In this case the building will clearly be of a high quality and the choice of materials indicated so far should reinforce this. The main issue here is rather the bulk and in particular the height of the building and how obtrusive it will be in the street scene.

The view from street level in the High Road will be of a traditional mosque entrance unrelated to the terraces on either side. It will be an infill development slightly set back from both terraces except for the projecting entrance canopy on the ground floor; which will conform to the building line of the two storey terrace at 62-78 High Road. The two adjoining terraces are unrelated to each other in storey height with 82-96 High Road being three storeys and provided the mosque entrance conforms to the height of that terrace there are no real aesthetic objections. The building would merely reinforce the break that already exists between the two terraces.

As far as impact on Downsell Road is concerned the mosque's dome will be equivalent in height to the existing auditorium located at the rear of 2-8 Downsell Road some 22 metres from Downsell Road. The only direct view of the mosque from Downsell Road will be from the gap between 8 and 16 Downsell Road. The main impact will be on the rear of the houses at 2-8 Downsell Road and to a lesser degree the rear of the houses to the east. There is also some residential accommodation in the High Road above the two terraces of shops between Downsell and Leslie Roads. In some respects the existing auditorium is more obtrusive than the mosque will be since its ridge line is level with the 1987 of the dome and this height is maintained over the whole site. This can be seen on plan 88/573/3B indicated with a dotted line. The impact on the residential environment is more one of character; the mosque would be an entirely different building than the present auditorium. It is considered that it is this difference, and the symbolic nature of the building which has prompted the main design objection.

On the question of appropriateness in a residential area, places of worship are invariably sited within residential areas to maximise accessibility to the local community.

5) The Minaret is obtrusive because of its excessive height.

This has been a point of concern to your officers from the time the application was first submitted. The height has been reduced from 21.5 metres to 19 metres but the minaret will still be 6 metres (20 ft) higher than the ridge of the existing auditoriums. The applicants are adamant that the height differential between dome and minaret is necessary because that is the established tradition. In your officers' opinion the minaret should ideally be further reduced in height to lessen its impact on the nearest houses. Members may wish to consider a reduction in height to 15 metres (the dome height) and if so an extra condition could be attached should the Committee agree with the recommendation of approval below.

The height of the minaret, would not be a sufficient ground by itself as far as officers are concerned, to refuse the application.

6) Severe parking problems will occur in Downsell Road, which is heavily parked already and experiences a lot of through traffic.

This is by far the main issue from the point of view of residents and for this reason your officers have carried out intensive and detailed traffic surveys to attempt to establish the likely impact of the use.

a) Through Traffic. Traffic volume surveys have been carried out over a wide area. These show that some roads, such as Calderon Road are affected by through traffic but Downsell Road is not one of them, primarily because of the road closure at its east end in the vicinity of Hall Road. An automatic traffic count taken in Downsell Road for a week showed traffic volumes to be consistently low and typical of a residential street unaffected by through traffic.

b) Existing on-street parking. Surveys were carried out in Downsell Road at various times throughout the day. These show that an additional 9-14 cars could be parked on-street on a Friday at 1 p.m. during the time of the maximum regular use of the Mosque. On-street parking capacity is much more limited after 6 p.m. when many residents return home after travelling to work by car. This however is a common problem throughout the borough in late Victorian streets with no off-street parking facilities.

c) Parking demand from the religious school and mosque. Observations of 34 Francis Road and the absence of complaints about its use over the last 5 years suggest that its use by 30 pupils during weekdays and the 50 at weekends do not cause problems. The applicants have stated that a minibus would bring some children living in the Francis Road area, about 20 children would walk to the school escorted by adults, and around 10 would be dropped off by car. The estimate of a maximum of 10 cars and an average of 6 does not seem unreasonable and these would be attracted during the late afternoons at a time when parking is not a serious problem.

As far as the mosque is concerned, Dacre Road is probably comparable in terms of the level of popularity and size of prayer hall and this has been surveyed to provide a comparable source of information. Dacre Road was found to attract between 15-20 cars at the busiest time (Friday lunchtime). The applicants have stated that about 50 people would attend at this time, and Downsell Road could accommodate up to 14 extra cars according to the survey in b) above. There should not be any significant problems in Downsell Road at Friday lunchtimes, even if all the car users parked in Downsell Road.

There is however potential conflict between residents and worshippers' parking demands after 6 pm. The applicants have stated that about 30 people would attend sunset and late evening prayer. This could mean about 6-9 extra cars in Downsell Road at the time of maximum demand from residents which could lead to competition for parking and residents being unable to park directly outside their houses. However, the availability of on-street parking in High Road after 6.30 pm and the fact that the entrance is now in High Road may reduce this demand and potential conflict with residents needs. Your officers would also want to ensure that any parking in High Road does not obscure sight line visibility in the vicinity of the junction with Downsell Road, Stewart and Leslie Roads. Appropriate parking restrictions could be introduced if necessary.

As far as festivals are concerned attendances of up to 200 people could potentially generate a serious parking problem. Survey work has not been carried out to assess typical parking demand at a comparable mosque because it is the wrong time of the year for festivals. The applicants have stated that it is customary at the two main festivals to hold prayers away from the mosque in the open air (one festival Eid-Ul-Fitr occurs after the holy month of Ramadan in April, the other, Eid-Ul-Azha about 70 days later). Under these circumstances problems could occur in bad weather if the Mosque has to be used. Christian churches attract much larger gatherings at Christmas (Carol Services and Midnight Mass) and Easter and periodically for weddings and cause parking problems in residential streets, since most churches have no off-street parking facilities.

In considering the whole question of parking demand it is worth quoting from the Royal Town Planning Institute publication. "Planning for a Multi-Racial Britain" which comments as follows in relation to religious buildings:-

"(ii) Car parking policies. The most common issue is the rigid application of accepted car parking standards, especially for religious and community buildings where racial minorities are more likely to walk to than drive: for example, the need to have a mosque close to Moslem residents who are required to worship five times a day. Too often, it is the car parking issue which prevents a change of use from residential to a place of worship. Some planning authorities recognise this distinction; some use standards with more or less discretion: some distinguish between short-term and long-term permissions or between local or more centrally used facilities. Other authorities deal with the issue indirectly by applying on-street parking controls or recognising the impossibility of imposing parking conditions in inner areas."

In terms of parking demand and traffic issues the conclusion of your officers is that although on-street car parking associated with this particular Mosque may cause some local inconvenience the level will not be high enough to cause any undue traffic problems with the possible exception of festivals from time to time. Certainly any traffic problems are not likely to be significant enough to justify refusal on traffic grounds.

The survey findings and conclusions have been sent to the Metropolitan Police Area Traffic Unit and any comments from the A.T.U. will be reported verbally at Committee (copy of Surveys attached as Appendix 3).

CONCLUSIONS

The Council has recognised in its policies the particular problems that face ethnic minority groups in finding suitable premise for religious and community needs in heavily built urban areas such as Waltham Forest. As a result of this awareness a wide variety of 'new' religious organisations have found suitable accommodation in the Borough.

Nevertheless it would still be wrong both in terms of the Council's planning policies and standards, and perhaps more importantly, in the terms of the multi cultural development of the Borough, if a religious use was permitted in a location that would cause problems and conflict with the local community. Clearly the local community considers that the proposed Mosque will give rise to problems and conflicts and it is for this reason that officers have given careful and full consideration to the issues involved.

In your officers view there are really two fundamental issues the design and appearance of the building, and the parking and traffic issues. In terms of the first issue the question is whether a building designed as a Mosque will look so out of place in its setting to justify refusal. The existing building cannot be said to relate well to its surroundings; neither in fact do most Christian churches relate in terms of scale or design to their surroundings. In cases like this officers generally take the view that, as with 'modern' architecture, a well designed building of good quality materials will be an asset in itself to the urban environment even if it does not try to copy the Victorian vernacular.

In respect of the car parking and traffic issues, it is a fact that any use of the cinema will generate additional activity and parking demand. Indeed the previous use caused so many problems that temporary planning permission was not renewed and the lease was not renewed. The question is whether the proposed use as a Mosque will generate sufficient additional activity and parking problems so as to justify refusal of planning permission.

In this instance it is considered that a case for the use has been made based on the particular characteristics of the Sect with relatively low attendance and the absence of noise generating forms of ceremony.

The survey work in particular convinces your officers that the use can coexist with the surrounding residential area provided it operates in the manner envisaged. This is why in recommending approval it is considered important that the permission is personal to the applicants to prevent another more populist sect operating from the premises.

A further way to protect residential amenities would be to ask the applicants to enter into a Section 52 Agreement which precluded the holding of major festivals at the Mosque. Members may wish to consider this option in the light of their general view on the officers recommendations.

Various other conditions relating to noise and overlooking and restricting the hours of allied social, as opposed to religious, activity are also suggested. Members should also be aware that since the Council owns the building terms will have to be agreed between the Council and the applicant before occupation can take place. Outright disposal with covenants is one option or a leasehold interest could be granted both of which could provide additional safeguards to reinforce the conditions considered essential to any grant of permission.

A conditional approval is therefore recommended as set out below.

RECOMMENDATION: Approval subject to the following conditions:

1) This permission shall enure for the benefit of the applicants only Jamial-Ehl-E-Hadees/ Madrasa-Al-Yawhid and not run with the land nor for the benefit of any other person or organisation having an interest therein at any time.

2) The premises shall only be used for public worship/religious instruction and for no other purposes within Class D of the Town and Country Planning Use Classes.

3) The development shall be carried out in all respects, apart from the roof of the High Road elevation in accordance with the details shown on plans 88/573/1,2B, and 3B with the ground floor remaining in use as a religious school with ancillary accommodation only with no part of the ground floor to be used as an extension to the first floor prayer halls at any time. The ridge height of the roof of the High Road elevation shall not exceed the ridge height of 82 High Road.

4) The residential accommodation shown on plan 88/573/2B shall remain available for the Imam and guests only.

5) The access to the building from Downsell Road shall be used for fire escape purposes only and shall remain shut at all other times.

6) The car park shown on plan 88/573/2B shall remain available for off-street car parking purposes in connection with the Mosque/School at all times when the building is in use.

7) No internal sound amplification system shall be installed without the prior written consent of the Local Planning Authority and no external amplification system shall be installed at any time. There shall be no use of the minaret at any time for summoning the congregation to prayer or for any other purpose.

8) Full details of any works of sound insulation to the building deemed necessary shall be submitted to and agreed in writing by the Local Planning Authority prior to commencement of development. The works as agreed shall be implemented prior to commencement of use of any part of the building.

9) Any use of the building for religious education or social activities associated with a religious use, shall be confined to the hours of 9am-11 pm during weekdays and at weekends.

10) All first floor windows in the south and east elevation shall be obscure glazed with high level opening only.

11) Full details of the materials to be used on the external surfaces of the development, including samples where appropriate, shall be submitted to and agreed in writing by the Local Planning Authority prior to commencement of the development.

12) The High Road entrances to the Mosque/School and the bookshop shall have minimum clear opening widths of 900mm, with no intervening steps.

13) Full details of revised entrance details relating to the Downsell Road car park shall be submitted to and agreed in writing by the Local Planning Authority prior to commencement of development.

14) The kitchen shall not be used for general catering at any time including festival times but only for refreshments ancillary to the use of the ground floor lecture hall, with food preparation taking place elsewhere.

15) No mortuary shall be provided on the premises.

REASONS:

1) The special circumstances of the applicants have been taken into consideration and it has been decided to grant permission on this basis.

2) The application is for these purposes only and to minimise on-street parking and disturbance which could arise with other uses within Class Dl.

3) To ensure a satisfactory appearance and to ensure the premises and in particular the Mosque are not used in an over-intensive manner to the detriment of nearby residents.

4) The residential accommodation would be unsuitable for general residential use on account of the absence of amenity open space and the relationship with the Mosque/School,

5) To discourage on-street parking in Downsell Road, particularly in the evenings and thereby minimise noise and general disturbance to nearby residents.

6) To minimise on-street parking in Downsell Road.

7)8)9) To prevent noise nuisance to nearby residents, especially at unsocial hours. .

10) To prevent overlooking.

11) To ensure a satisfactory appearance.

12) To ensure compliance with the Council's adopted access guidelines entitled "Access for All".

13) To ensure a satisfactory appearance, and in the interests of highway safety.

14) To prevent nuisance to nearby residents from smells.

15) To ensure compatibility with a residential area.










Residents fight to s1987 mosque plan

THE words "Don't make it a mosque" have been daubed on an old cinema building in Leyton High Road. The graffiti sums up the feelings of hundreds of local residents.

Nevertheless, planners were to recommend Waltham Forest councillors on Wednesday to approve plans submitted by the Jamiat Ehl-E-Hadees sect.

The Islamic group wants to alter the building on the corner of Downsell Road to create a mosque and a religious school, with a flat for the Imam. The design includes a dome and 19m (60ft) minaret

The sect holds after-school classes for children in a former corner shop in nearby Francis Road.

When a scheme to extend it to establish a mosque was firmly rejected, officers offered the coundl-owned building in the High Road.

It closed as a cinema in the 1950s and has since been used as a warehouse.

After a public meeting last year, objections came from the nearby Westdown Road Residents' Association, from 570 local people who signed petitions and from 58 individuals.

On the other hand,208 people signed another petition supporting the proposals and 12 backed it in letters.

The main objections are that:

¥ The mosque and school will bring too much traffic and noise into the area.

¥ The design is out of keeping with the surrounding Victorian terrace.

¥ Had residents known the ex-cinema was council-owned, they would have long since asked for it to be used as a community centre.

Officers have carried out extensive traffic and parking counts, not only in the Downsell Road area but also in Francis Road and Dacre Road, Leytonstone, where a similar-sized mosque is based.

And they come to the conclusion that traffic will be manageable.

The sect has said attendance is unlikely to rise above its present level of 20 adults at daily prayers and 50 children in the school.

They describe themselves as "strict", akin to puritan, rather than "populist" -- therefore less attractive to mainstream Moslems. And they practise silent rather than chanted prayer.

Planners agree the design will look "out of place" with its neighbours.

But they do suggest that conditions should be attached, including:

¥ The minaret shall not be used to summon the congregation to prayer.

¥ Activities should be confined to the hours between 9am and 11pm.

¥ The kitchen should not be used for general catering

¥ There should be no mortuary hall on the premises.

¥ No other group should be able to take over the mosque. (1038).

Waltham Forest Guardian March 3, 1989


"There is nothing to fear" says councillor

'Green light' for mosque scheme

THE planned Leyton High Road Mosque, which has caused so much bad feeling among residents, has finally been given the go-ahead by planning chiefs.

The Islamic sect Jamiat Ehl-E-Hadees submitted proposals to alter the former cinema-- which has been used as a warehouse for the last 30 years -- into a Mosque and religious school with a flat for the Imam.

The design would include a dome and a 19m(60ft) minaret.

But local residents were up in arms about the plan, feeling it would bring too much traffic and noise into the area and the architecture would be out of keeping with the Victorian terrace houses.

They also felt that had they known the land was council owned a request would have been made for a community centre.

But several members of the Planning Implementation Committee agreed that a place of worship would be the Quietest development residents could wish for.

Said Labour councillor Richard Slack: "One thing we can say is I don't suppose these people will come out of the Mosque at midnight rolling drunk and urinating in people's doorways."

Fellow party member Amarjit Devgun agreed: 'I’m not a Moslem myself, but I do respect and honour everyone's right to their religion and customs and I want to honour the needs of the Moslems in this area.

"The architect is an environmentally conscious man. I would go as far as to say I would welcome more applications of this kind. After all, what could be a better community use than a place of worship?"

Conservative councillor Wally Hansen, however, disputed the officers' recommendation: "Churches we pass every day. They are a part of our life. Mosques aren't It will be a totally obtrusive building."

Although the plan was approved, 15 conditions were stated by officers in the report.

These included the minaret not being used to summon the congregation to prayer, no mortuary hall on the premises, no internal sound amplification systems and no use of the building for religious education or social activities before 9am and after 11pm.

Amendments were made to these last two conditions meaning that any request for amplification will not be refused point blank, but will be subject to planning permission and the time limit will only apply to social activities and not religious education.

The ward councillor for the area. Labour's Steve Jacobs, represented the residents over fears of traffic, noise and appearance, but did add: "I do see some room for hope."

Quietness of prayer

The Jamiat Ehl-E-Hadees sect practises a strict form of Islam, based on Saudi-Arabian principles.

Prayers are held five times a day -- at dawn, lunchtime, late afternoon, sunset and an hour after sunset

Attendance at normal weekly prayers, they say, is less than 10 adults at the first three sessions and about 20 at the latter two.

Exceptions are Friday lunchtimes, when about 50 people are expected to gather, arriving in 10 cars, and the holy month of Ramadan, when about 30 people attend sunset and late evening prayers.

There is no music involved in the prayers.

During the dawn, sunset and late evening prayers, the Imam recites verses from the Koran (sometimes spelt Quran) and orders the followers to change position by saying "Allah-U-Akbar" (God is the greatest).

Lunchtime and afternoon prayers are silent

The two main festival events of the year, attended by about 200 people, are traditionally held in the open air away from the mosque.

The religious school (Madrasah Al Tawhid) has an attendance of about 50 children in the late afternoon of weekdays and 20 adults at weekends.

The sect proposes to operate a 12-seater mini-bus to pick up some of the children and it will be parked in the forecourt of the mosque.



TRAFFIC is bound to be a serious problem after the mosque is built, claimed objectors this week.

They were not convinced by planners' studies which showed there was room for extra parking in the area.

"In the evenings, in particular, there is scarcely a space to spare in Downsell Road, which is a cul-de-sac, " said resident Beryl Maycock.

"Bringing in extra cars will clog up the street and be a danger for children from the primary school at the Hall Road end."

Near neighbour Chris Stacey commented bitterly: "The people who say the traffic will be manageable don't have to live here. Just two cars parked badly can snarl up the rest of the traffic."

The biggest regret felt by Laurence Wortley, secretary of Westdown Road Residents' Association, is that the ex-cinema has not been set aside for much-needed community use.

Another angry objector is Roger Dudding, managing director of Dudrich Holdings, which owns the lock-up garage complex behind the cinema building.

He says increased traffic and parking will materially affect access to the garages for the people who rent them -- yet he claims he was never officially informed or consulted.

A spokesman for the planning department said he thought Dudrich Holdings had been contacted. "But even if they weren't officially informed, they did know about the scheme as their letter to us proves."

Though planning consent has been given, it was by no means cut and dried yet, he said.

The next step was for decisions to be made about whether the council would remain landlord and on what conditions, or if the freehold should be sold to the Jamiat Ehl-E-Hadees sect.

Waltham Forest Guardian March 10, 1989


Mosque should not be on ratepayers

A RESIDENT of Downsell Road, Leyton, has kindly forwarded to us a photostat of the story on the Leyton High Road mosque scheme. To set the record straight as an abutting freeholder I place on record the following.

1. It is perhaps typical of certain local authorities to make the fatuous comment as reported: "A spokesman for the planning department said he thought Dudrich Holdings had been contacted,- but even if they weren't officially informed, they did know about the scheme, as their letter to us proves".

The first we knew about the scheme was when we received advice from a tenant of one of our garages, and it was only afte' writing three let-' ters to the local authority they had the courtesy to respond.

2. This area is one of Victorian terraced houses which, no doubt, represents to many of the owners^ their life savings. The wanton disregard of local councillors who are meant to represent the electorate is incredible. It is perfectly obvious that the majority of local residents do not want a mosque on their doorstep, which is totally out of keeping with the Victorian architecture.

3. Comments attributed to Labour councillor Richard Slack perhaps best illustrates the mentality of an individual wishing to jump on the bandwagon and further the cause of a minority group, without taking into account the wishes of the indigenous majority. In a democratic society the wishes of the majority should pertain.

4. The above comments also apply to the statement attributed to Councillor Amarjit Devgun, who would appear to be totally out of step with local residents, and to pass the comment that "the architect is an environmentally conscious man" is so absurd if taken into context with suggesting that a mosque is enviromentally acceptable in what is a Victorian residential area.

5. For those of us with a certain knowledge and experience of restrictive covenants/conditions, I would not put much store that the 15 conditions as specified in the planning approval will hold good in perpetuity. In fact, as stated in the report, amendments have already been made to two of the conditions and I would not expect it to be too long before requests are made for the minaret to used to summon the faithful to prayer.

Finally, if council-owned property is surplus to council's needs, then logically and morally this should be disposed of at public auction and the proceeds from it returned to ratepayers who, after all, are the paymasters of the council.

It is inconsistent with logic that ratepayers should be expected to subsidise an immigrant religious sect. They should provide for their activities from their own resources and not expect the indigenous residents of their host country to subsidise them by dint of buildings or money.

RODGER I. DUDDING,
Managing Director,
Dudrich (Holdings) Limited,
Chase Road,
London. N14

Waltham Forest Guardian March 17, 1989



Cinema to become Mosque

Waltham Forest Guardian March 31, 1989