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Letters from the Goldsmiths' Company

John Brind apprenticed 1746, Henry Brind apprenticed 1752, James Richard Brind apprenticed 1844 & Robert Smith Brind apprenticed 1852.

THE GOLDSMITHS' COMPANY Goldsmiths' Hall, Foster Lane, London EC2V 6BN Telephone 0171 606 7010 Facsimile 0171 606 1511

Lieutenant Colonel D J Brind Mth3/v1 1 September 1999 Dear Colonel Brind BRIND FAMILY Thank your for your letter concerning various Brinds who were apprenticed through the Company. I have the following information for you: 1 John Brind who was apprenticed in 1746 was the son of John who was a Citizen and Loriner. This is the reason he does not appear in our records. The Guildhall Library holds the records of the Worshipful Company of Loriners. No addresses are given. 2 Henry Brind who was apprenticed in 1752 was the son of John as above. 3 James Richard Brind who was apprenticed in 1844 was the son of William, a silversmith, of Baldwin Street, City Road, Middlesex. He was apprenticed to William Smily of Finsbury Place South in the City of London to learn the art of silversmithing. 4 Robert Smith Brind who was apprenticed in 1852 was the son of John, deceased, of 22 Hill Street, St Lukes, Middlesex. He was also apprenticed to William Smily to learn the art of a plate polisher. I hope this clarified some of your queries. Please feel free to contact me if you need further information. Yours sincerely, Victoria Lane For the Librarian The Wardens and Commonalty of the Mystery of Goldsmiths of the City of London

GOLDSMITHS' HALL Foster Lane, London EC2V 6BN

Telephone 071 606 7010 Facsimile 071 606 1511

9th December 1993

G/DB/JMP Dear Sir Thank your for your letter of the 3rd December conerning the Brind family. I enclose a rough family tree compiled from the index of freemen and apprentices of those who appear to be descendants of Walter Brind, Prime Warden in 1820. If you would like to consult the records at first hand please telephone to make an appointment. The Library is open from Monday to Friday from 10.00 - 5.30 p.m. Yours faithfully, David Beasley Librarian

Lieutenant Colonel D J Brind

Walter Brind. Prime Warden in 1820 Walter William Henry Edward Henry (Harry?) (1791-1834) app. in 1805 to father f.by s.7 Oct 1812 Ribbon weaver (1792-1848) app. in 1806 to father f. by p.l Dec. 1813 L. Apr. 1816 Ribbon weaver (1800-1890) app. in 1815 to father f. by p.l Apr. 1840 L. July 1851 Wine merchant. (1807-) no details Frederick William Charles f. by p.l Jan 1845 L.Dec.1848 D.15 Oct.1908 Wine merchant f. by p.3 Feb. 1847 L.Mar.1855 D.27 Dec.1901 Merchant Frank Willoughby Ernest Walter f. by p.2 Mar.1887 L.Dec.1892 D.8 May 1898 Wine merchant f. by p.4 Jan 1893 L.Dec.1899 D.16 Mar.1913 Merchant

Abbreviations f. by s.= free by service i.e.apprenticeship) f. by p.= free by patrimony L = election to Livery D = Died

THE GOLDSMITHS' COMPANY Lieutenant Colonel D J Brind DB/RZ3 147 Bouverie Avenue South Salisbury Wilts SP2 8EB 17 March 2006 Dear Lt. Col. Brind EDWARD BRIND'S DATE OF DEATH Further to your letter of 9 February I have looked into the date of death of Edward Brind and can report the following information. In a printed livery list of 1885 (p.24) there is a manuscript note under his name as follows 'Australia' and 'not to be sent to' . There is a further note 'Died 1890 per Mr Chas Brind' . I have checked in the Charles Brind livery file but cannot find any note concerning the death of Edward Brind. It may perhaps have been a conversation at a dinner or a letter which has not survived. Perhaps he contracted an illness in Australia. Yours sincerely David Beasley Librarian Librarian