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Henry Albert and Jane nee Harris seem to have had more children.
My guess is that the family included: Harriet Mary b Wortley (Ecclesfield) 1880George Frederick b Wortley (Ecclesfield) 1882 d 1883/4 Annie Elizabeth b Wortley (Ecclesfield) 1884Ernest Edward b Wortley (Ecclesfield) 1887Gertrude Gladys b Wortley (Ecclesfield) 1891 d 1892Joseph (or Joe) b Sheffield 1893 Harry b Sheffield 1896/7 Lily b Ecclesall B 1900.
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On Saturday, Feb 26, 2005, at 17:37 Europe/London, scrookess@ntlworld.com> wrote:Hi Jonathan,Many thanks for your recent replies concerning the Brind family in Yorkshire. Please forgive my late reply. I've not had much spare time from work plus my email was playing up. I appreciate the information you sent me. There were some dates I didn't have. As for Jane Brind in 1901, she does appear as a widow living with her children in Sheffield. Present that census night were - Mary(21), Annie E.(17), Ernest E.(13), Joseph(8), Harry(5), Lily(11m), her son-in-law James Crookes (married to Mary) and their daughter Winifred (3m). I found the family by luck, as I was looking for James Crookes, my great grandfather. Jane and her children are incorrectly transcribed as BIND not BRIND as entered on the original enumerator's sheet. Interestingly, the 1901 census shows Frederick J. Harris, now a widower, back in Baydon Wiltshire as a 66 year old farm labourer. He is living with another farm labourer, 71 year old William Lawrence and his wife Elizabeth. When I get Henry and Janes' marriage certificate and Henry's birth certificate, I will certainly send you copies. Regards Steve |
From: Jonathan Brind j@brind.co.uk
Date: 2005/02/23 Wed PM 07:55:10 GMT
To: " S CROOKES" scrookess@ntlworld.com
Subject: Re: Brind family in Yorkshire
Had another look at my records and I really don't think I can help anymore.
Quite clearly Henry Albert Brind married Jane nee Harris in 1879(third quarter).
He seems to have been born in Aldbourne, Wilts,(ancestral home of my family) in the fourth quarter of 1850 and died in Ecclesall in 1900.
She was born in 1852/3 in Ecclesfield, Yorkshire,and seems to disappear by 1901.
There is a Jane Brind in the 1901 census who was married to a Henry but that Henry was born in Beedon,quite close to Aldbourne but nevertheless across the county line inBerkshire.
It is interesting that Henry A and Jane were living with herfather (I presume) Fred J Harris when the 1881 census was taken.
Henry is said to be only 23 (I think he was 30) and came from Ouldburn, but this is likely to be an attempt to render a heavy Wiltshire accent into written English.
Perhaps this is why the age is wrong (the enumerator couldn't understand what he was saying).
Alternatively perhaps Henry didn't want to make it appear he was cradle robbing his young wife (seven years younger than him) while he was living with her father, so he was not being honest about his real age. And there are other possibilities, of course.
Perhaps Fred gave the information and gavethe name of the village and Henry's age as best he could, but got itwrong.... If you do get the marriage certificate (and/or the birth certifcate of Henry) I'd be very grateful if you could send me a copy.
I think there is a considerable chance that we are distantly related and if so (and we can confirm the link) I can probably take your family history back along way.
It's great that you may be able to get two certificates since one will confirm what the other says, if I'm right.
Jonathan
Hi Steve,Sorry for delay in replying.
This is quite interesting. Your grandmother seems to have been given the name Harriet Mary but married as Mary Harriet (in 1900). I'm finding it quite difficult to pin down your great grandfather since there were a lot of Henry Brinds.Will spend more time on this tonight or tomorrow.
In the mean time your great grandparents seem to have got married in Sheffield in (the thirdquarter of) 1879 and I reckon obtaining that certificate would get youa long way forward (or back, if you see what I mean).
Jonathan
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On Wednesday, Feb 16, 2005, at 13:13 Europe/London, S CROOKES wrote:Dear Jonathan,ÊI am trying to trace the Brind side of my great grandmother's family.
Her name was Mary Harriet Crookes nee BRIND (b.c.1880). Her parentswere Henry A. and Jane Brind (nee Harris). In 1881 they were livingin Ecclesfield Common, Yorkshire. Do these names have any connection with your own family tree? Regards Steve Crookes |
Had another look at my records and I really don't think I can help anymore.
Quite clearly Henry Albert Brind married Jane nee Harris in 1879 (third quarter).
He seems to have been born in Aldbourne, Wilts,(ancestral home of my family) in the fourth quarter of 1850 and died in Ecclesall in 1900.
She was born in 1852/3 in Ecclesfield,Yorkshire, and seems to disappear by 1901.
There is a Jane Brind in the 1901 census who was married to a Henry but that Henry was born inBeedon, quite close to Aldbourne but nevertheless across the countyline in Berkshire.
It is interesting that Henry A and Jane were livingwith her father (I presume) Fred J Harris when the 1881 census wastaken.
Henry is said to be only 23 (I think he was 30) and came from Ouldburn, but this is likely to be an attempt to render a heavy Wiltshire accent into written English.
Perhaps this is why the age is wrong (the enumerator couldn't understand what he was saying).
Alternatively perhaps Henry didn't want to make it appear he was cradle robbing his young wife (seven years younger than him) while he was living with her father, so he was not being honest about his real age.
And there are other possibilities, of course.
Perhaps Fred gave the information and gave the name of the village and Henry's age as best he could, but got it wrong....If you do get the marriage certificate (and/or the birth certifcate of Henry) I'd be very grateful if you could send me a copy.
I think there is a considerable chance that we are distantly related and if so (and we can confirm the link) I can probably take your family history back a long way.
It's great that you may be able to get two certificates since one will confirm what the other says, if I'm right.
Jonathan
Hi Steve,Sorry for delay in replying.
This is quite interesting.Your grandmother seems to have been given the name Harriet Mary but married as Mary Harriet (in 1900).
I'm finding it quite difficult to pin down your great grandfather since there were a lot of Henry Brinds.
Will spend more time on this tonight or tomorrow.
In the mean time your great grandparents seem to have got married in Sheffield in (the thirdquarter of) 1879 and I reckon obtaining that certificate would get you a long way forward (or back, if you see what I mean).
Jonathan
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On Wednesday, Feb 16, 2005, at 13:13 Europe/London, S CROOKES wrote:
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14 October 2006 Dear Jonathan, Please find enclosed copies of the promised 'Brind' certificates.These are the children of Henry Albert and Jane Brind nee Crookes. As you know there was some confusion as to the maiden name of JaneBrind. I feel I have now resolved the problem.
Edward is listed as son. Harriet is listed as daughter unmarried. Henryis listed as "Harriet's son".
Harriet Brind is listed as daughter. Henry A. Brind is listed as grandson.
Albert Henry Brind is listed as stepson.
Henry A. Brind is listed as son-in-law.
In 1851/1861 Harriet Brind is living with her parents and son Henry A. Brind.Harriet marries Frederick Harris making Albert Henry Brind a stepson. Theages and place of birth match. Albert Henry Brind marries Jane Crookes in1879 and the couple appear in the 1881 census living with Henry's mother,stepfather, two half-sisters and Henry and Jane's daughter Harriet Mary Brind. The confusion arises from two apparent errors. Firstly, the age given for Henryin 1881 is 23. This is inaccurate and should read 29/30. This would fit with hisage of 27 given on the marriage certificate and that in 1871. The second, is thatin the 1881 census Henry is listed as son-in-law, leading one to assumeerroneously that Jane Brind is the daughter of Frederick and Harriet Harris. She is in fact the daughter-in-law. However, the mistake here is possibly oneof interpretation on my part. I recently discovered that the term son-in-law wasused differently to nowadays. It was sometimes used for the wife's son by aprevious marriage. I hope this makes sense! Regards,
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George and Sarah were buried in Aldbourne cemetery.