Woolwich Arsenal Main Gates late Victorian era.
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| Richard William | = 1882, Woolwich, London See certificate |
Mary Ann (Parsons) |
| b. 27/9/1857 See certificate A photo of Richard hangs on a wall in Manchester. |
b.about 1861 Plumstead See note |
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| 1871:Cartridge maker 1881: General Labourer 1891: Metal Turner |
1901: Laundress | |
| d. 1897 Greenwich [40] See certificate See cutting | d. 1938 (77) See certificate |
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Address 1891-1901: 58 Elm Street, Plumstead, Kent
Address 1911: 112 Villas Road, Plumstead |
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From: Carl Brind To: fromhomepage@brind.co.uk Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 1:06 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Brind Family Hi Ive just had a look at your site. Im also trying to research my family tree (BRIND), mainly what happened to Walter Brind. He is my gt grandfather. Very little was known about him apart from he was from Kent (Plumstead, Charlton area), he was a gunner at Shoeburyness in Essex and his fathers name was Richard. Just after my grandad was born in 1918 he walked out on the family and nothing else was heard of him. Ive tried contacting various people via places like genesreuntied, but very little if anything is known of Richard and Walter Brind. If you have any information that would be great. I look forward to hearing from you. Carl Carl Brind Photography www.carlbrind.co.uk 07958 150420 |
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I'd be delighted to send you a cd containing loads of information which should help you a lot. Please send an address.
I can tell you that there was a Walter Griffiths Brind born in Plumstead in 1883 who, according to my information was a capstan steel machinist. Strangely Walter's brother Joseph Brind worked for the navy in Malta as a gunner. However that Walter's father was called Walter, not Richard. There was also a Walter John Brind born in Plumstead in 1889. I don't know what his father was called (you can find that out by getting a birth certificate) but it is likely to be Richard because Walter John's eldest brother was called Richard. There is a possibility that Walter John's father was a Richard William Brind who died at the age of 40 in 1898. He married somebody in 1882, if he is your ancestor it was probably a laundress called Mary. I find this all very interesting and I'd love to talk to you about it. Would you be interested in a Y line (paternal lline) DNA test? I have had mine done and I would love to compare your results with mine (and other Brind DNA results). If I am right I can probably put you in touch with some living relatives. But you best have a look at my cd (which is free) Would you share with me the names and dates you already have on your Brind tree, for example your grandfather? I would add this information to the cd. There are a lot of Walter Brinds, probably because some of the famous and wealthy Brinds were called Walter. One of the ideas behind the DNA test would be to see if you are related to them. Jonathan Brind PS Sorry about the delay in replying but my email software decided your email was spam. I only happened to see it when I went through the spam folder!!!!! |
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From: Carl Brind Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 23:03:18 Europe/London To: Jonathan Brind Subject: A possible lead Hiya, I've just gone through my CD Rom of Brinds. I was looking for my gt-grandads siblings.....hoping to find them. Ive now managed to find out what happened to two of them (I think) but Ive lost one of them. It looks like Herbert Edmund died in Islington at the age of 41. It looks like Annie Louise married in 1909 I've gone through all the births, marriages and deaths in the UK. Ive found his oldest brothers (Richard William) date of birth but then when I looked in Woolwich/ Plumstead I found no records of him marrying OR dying. I then did a UK search and found only ONE Richard Brind who would have been of marrying age (or who was alive). He was born in 1883 but married in Portsmouth in 1906. If this is the same one he had a child Richard William E Brind in 1910 (possibly passing on the fathers name). Also Richard's brother was Edmund...could this be what the E stands for??? Did you say that their grandfather or gt-grandfather was from that area in the will? Also Walter John was enlisted in the army in Portsmouth. Ive found no death for Richard William though. If he was a military man could he have been killed or mia during the war?? Chat soon Carl |
November 2007. I went through the records for my gt-gt grandmother's birth certificate. I think on the CD Rom its marked down as 1861. I found these for this year......
However I found this.......
I've ordered a lot of certificates tonight so once they are through I can let you know a bit more about the family. Carl |
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| 1871 census |
| See cutting mentioning Frederick Parsons | Woolwich Arsenal Main Gates late Victorian era. |
| 1882 Marriage solemnized at ????????????? in the County of ???????????? |
| No | When Married | Name and surname | Age | Condition | Rank or Profssion | Residence at the time of Marriage | Father's name and surname | Rank or Profession of Father |
| 99 | Aug 6th 1882 | Richard William Brind | Full | Bachelor | Baker | Plumstead | Richard William Brind | Carpenter |
| Mary Ann Parsons | Full | Spinster | Plumstead | Matthew Parsons | Bricklayer |
| Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me Jeffr Allister? |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us |
Richard William Brind Mary Ann Parsons |
In the Presence of us |
Herbert Brind Eleanor Brind x her mark |
| Certified copy of an entry of DEATH | Registration district | Wantage | 1938 DEATH in the Sub-district of ????? in the County of ????? |
| No | When and where died | Name and surname | Sex | Age | Occupation | Cause of death | Signature, description and residence of informant | When registered | Signature of registrar |
| 132 | 4th Jan 1938 29 Richmond Place |
Mary Ann Brind |
Female | 77 years | Widow of Richard William Brind Arsenal Examiner (metal cases) |
Myocardial Degeneration Chronic Bronichitis certified by B. Cowell M.R.C.S. |
A Williams- Daughter 14 Balgowan Street, Plumstead |
Fifth January 1938 |
H E Turner Interim Registrar |
| Carl Brind (Facebook September 2011): Just looked at Mary Ann Brind's death certificate and the informant is A. Williams (Daughter). Looked on the BMD and found
Marriages Mar 1909
BRIND Annie Louise Woolwich 1d 1245 WILLIAMS John Woolwich 1d 1245 Once I get some money Ill try to get this marriage certificate ordered too. |
| See also this note about Annie Louise. |
| Certified copy of an entry of DEATH | Registration district | Wantage | 1898 DEATH in the Sub-district of Greenwich East in the County of ????? |
| No | When and where died | Name and surname | Sex | Age | Occupation | Cause of death | Signature, description and residence of informant | When registered | Signature of registrar |
| 3 | 28th December 1897 Seamans Hospital East |
Richard William Brind |
Male | 40 years | Machinist ??? ??? shed Plumstead |
Shock following injuries sustained by his being accidentally fallen under the horses drawing a tram car and been run over |
Certificate received from ???? Wood .. Deputy coroner for London inquest held 3rd Jan 1898 |
fourth January 1898 |
S H Lewes Registrar |
| Registration district of ???? 1857 BIRTH in the sub-district of Woolwich Dockyard in the County of ???? |
| No | When and where born |
Name, if any | Sex | Name and surname of father |
Name, surname and maiden surname of mother |
Occupation of father | Signature, description and residence of informant |
When registered | Signature of registrar | Name entered after registration |
| 777 | Twentyseventh September 1857 28 Rectory Grove |
Richard William | Boy | Richard William Brind | Eleanor Brind formerly Collings |
Shipwright HM Dockyard |
Eleanor Brind mother 28 Rectory Grove, Woolwich |
Sixth November 1857 |
William Jackson Registrar |
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| It's probably a coincidence but the driver of the tram that killed Richard Brind in 1898 was called John Selfe. He may have been a 52-year-old in 1901 who was living in Beresford Place? Woolwich but was born in Kingston, Surrey.
Some time between July and September 1929 Annie L Brind (by then Anne L Williams), daughter of the dead man, may have married Gerald T Self (Woolwich 1d 3042). Williams is quite a common name and we won't know until we get the wedding certificate. He was possibly Gerald Tasker Self, born 24 April 1900 (whose birth was registered in Woolwich (1d 1306) in April to June 1900). But it looks like Gerald Self was the grandson of Harry and Dorothea Self who were living at Durham Road, Plumstead in 1901. It is not clear who his parents were but Harry and Dorothea had two daughters living with them, Florence Mostyn and Beatrice Self. Harry was 64-years-old and was born in the Mile End. By trade he was a Map Engraver Litho, which sounds like highly sophisticated work. Could he have had a relative who was a tram driver? |
| See also this note about Annie Louise. |
Woolwich Arsenal Main Gates late Victorian era. |
| Andy Brind: Does anybody recognise the name Richard William Brind? I've got a picture of him on my wall. He is my Grandad's grandad i think? My father is called Keith Walter Brind, and my Grandad was called Walter John Brind from Manchester.I think our name originates fron Portsmouth?
Richard William had a uniform with spurs on his boots.Some kind of weapon like a spear? .When look at your picture i can see my grandad in you.You must be a distant relative? His name was Walter John Brind .Married to Lillian Brind nee Jackson.He worked at Gorton Tankin East Manchester. Facebook September 2011 |  |
| Carl Brind: Hi Andy, Yes your gt-grandad was mentioned on my gt-grandads army records. By the sounds of it they were pretty close. Both brothers signed up for the army and went to Gosport. Gosport is near Portsmouth where Ive traced our line of the Brinds from (1700s). I need to go through their parish records to find when they moved to Portsmouth from Aldbourne. It looks like when the brothers returned to the UK your gt-grandad stayed in the Portsmouth area, while mine went to Essex. I went back to PLumstead last week (as its only a 45 mins drive for me) and all the houses have been pulled down and blocks of flats built on them. Most of the gravestones have been removed from the churches. As you can imagine Woolwich/Plumstead was heavily bombed during the wars as it was the main arsenal.
It would be great to see a photo of him. If you look at Clive Brinds photo of his gt-grandfather Harry Brind. He would have been your Richard Williams uncle. By the way, the name Richard Willaim Brind nearly every generation. My gt-grandads name was Walter John Brind, so your grandad must have been named after him. Still trying to find out what happened to mine. Facebook September 2011 |  |
| Clive Brind : Andy as Carl says Richard William Brind if born Sept 1857 would have been my great grandfathers elder brother & I believe that in 1871 he was living at 10 Darwin St, Plumstead & then in 1881 at 13 Station Road Plumstead & a carpenter although I'm sure Jonathan or Carl may know more! Facebook September 2011 |  |
| Registration district WOOLWICH 1903 BIRTH in the sub-district of East Plumstead in the County of London |
| No | When and where born |
Name, if any | Sex | Name and surname of father |
Name, surname and maiden surname of mother |
Occupation of father | Signature, description and residence of informant |
When registered | Signature of registrar | Name entered after registration |
| 238 | Second April 1903 58 Elm Street |
Henry Baker | Boy | Mary Ann Brind formerly Parsons a laundress |
M A Brind Mother 58 Elm Street Plumstead |
Fourteenth May 1903 |
W J Vincent? Registrar |
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From: Carl Brind Date: 28 September 2011 19:31:08 GMT+01:00 To: Jonathan Brind Subject: Henry Baker Brind Certificate Hi Jonathan, As promised here is the birth certificate of Henry Baker Brind. I honestly thought it was going to be 60% the wrong person. It's interesting to see she is still a laundress and why she would have a child at such a late age. As she didn't marry the father and died alone I wonder if the birth was a case of an 'accidental pregnancy' or if the pregnancy was a result of an assault. I will now try to track down information on marriage and death of Henry and see if there's any possible children. It could be that there maybe a child still alive, and maybe know what happened to Walter John Brind (as this would be their uncle). |